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After Reboot- Opinions on Dairy Please?

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Posted by WJS on 5 years ago

Sorry I meant to post this here not in the Reboot section.

I unfortunately must end my juice only fast on Thursday which will be day 44, would love to go on a bit more but I have two trips planned starting Friday. I will start eating solids and have read here on the forum that it is best to avoid dairy. I had thought before the fast that fat free Greek yogurt was quite healthy. I do love it mixed with stevia and frozen blueberries. Can anyone say why it is adviced to stay away from all dairy including fat free Greek yogurt?

This topic contains 10 replies, has 1 voices, and was last updated by Josie 5 years ago.

Replies To After Reboot- Opinions on Dairy Please?

  • Danmcn61

    5 years ago

    That's a good one, WJS. I want to answer fully but please keep in mind that I can only give you my opinion, and nothing I say is the "official position" of anyone who sponsors or controls this website or anyone in Joe Cross' organization. In other words, I am just an opinionated citizen and nothing more. Joe doesn't speak for me, and I don't speak for him.

    Now that that is out of the way, let me answer your question.

    First of all, congratulations on your 44-day juice fast. I remember how I felt on top of the world when I finished mine, and I've felt good ever since. When you are coming off of a reboot, the key is to do it SLOWLY and don't integrate solid food all at once. Take the first week really easily by ingesting juice and maybe a salad or two every day. For the second week, add a good breakfast such as steel-cut oatmeal and some fruit for lunch. You should take a month at least to get back to eating normally, and by "normally" I mean three meals a day (if that is your wish) but be sure to eat healthy food, OK? No more junk food, no more pizza, no more beer. You can have dairy as long as you can digest lactose. I had to do a lot of research on dairy when I was diagnosed as lactose-intolerant and I have a lot to share with everybody.

    The dairy section of your supermarket is loaded with food items that are produced by the commercial dairy industry under close supervision by the state and federal government (the FDA, for example). Milk and milk products that have been produced from cows that have been raised under natural, organic conditions is one of the wonders of the nutritional world. Unfortunately, the commercially-available cow's milk and the products derived from the milk are produced from animals that live in horribly crowded and disease-ridden conditions, have been fed a diet of genetically-modified corn (rather than the green grass that is their natural diet) and the animals have been given a very serious amount of antibiotics and growth hormone all of their lives (so that their milk production will increase and the dairy industry can be more profitable). The government that NEVER lies to us (I'm being sarcastic, of course) and a dairy industry that is desperately trying to maximize profits both claim that there are no adverse effects of drinking milk from cows that have been fed GMO (genetically modified organism) corn and treated with these drugs. As you can probably tell, I do not agree with their assessment one bit.

    Not convinced? Consider the following: milk producers treat their dairy cattle with recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH or rBST, as it is also known) to boost milk production, but rBGH increases udder infections which results in pus in the milk (pus that you drink when you drink the milk). rBGH also leads to higher levels of a hormone called insulin-like growth factor in milk. In people, high levels of IGF-1 may contribute to breast, prostate, and colon cancers. Does anyone really think that eating healthy should include products that may GIVE you cancer?

    Also, milk and milk products have to be pasteurized in order to be sold in a commercial supermarket. At one time, this was a good thing because there can be very serious diseases caused by ingesting milk that has been contaminated (listeria, for example). Unfortunately, pasteurization (heating the milk to kill the bacteria) can also destroy the important enzymes and other proteins that make milk so good for you, so what's a person to do?

    Answer: DRINK RAW MILK

    Raw milk is cow's milk that is taken from clean, well-maintained family farms and from cows that have grown up without GMO corn, hormones, or antibiotics. The animals are nurtured and treated humanely, and they grow up eating fresh green grass. The milk is fresh, easy to digest, delicious, and loaded with enzymes that would normally be destroyed during the pasteurization process.

    There is a growing movement in this country of people who are taking their lives back, and regaining their health naturally. Whether their chosen path is Paleo, Raw Foods, the Weston Price foundation, Veganism, or something else there is positive energy out there being produced by ordinary people taking charge of their health and their lives. Juicing is one of the crown jewels of the movement, and the push for allowing raw milk to be sold commercially is another. In most states, raw milk is banned outright. In other states, raw milk is sold under VERY stringent conditions and it is very difficult to find. If you can find it, it is worth it. In Virginia, for example, you have to actually buy "shares" of a cow and then the milk is free. If you have ever drank milk from a Jersey cow that grew up eating green grass from the Cumberland Valley, you'll know why I love the flavor so much. Remember when I said that I was lactose intolerant? I can drink raw milk by the gallon with no side effects at all.

    Not only milk, but milk products such as cheese, butter, kefir, and yogurt are affected by this debate. You spoke of eating Greek yogurt, which is marvelous, but yogurt made from raw milk is much, much better for you and your digestive system than commercially available products. Family farms that sell raw milk are usually very closely regulated for cleanliness and for the health of the animals, and the animals are fed a diet of green grass, which is their natural diet anyway. I have not heard of any cases of contaminated milk being sold by raw-milk farmers.

    Please do your own research and follow your own instincts, whatever they may be. It is your life and your choices to make. I love my new, healthy life and I want to spread the word to everyone about the wonders of natural health. Juicing, organic gardening, raw milk, life without medications and antibiotics, raw-foods, no drugs or alcohol, exercise, etc...are all part of my life now and I couldn't be happier.

  • DanMiller BettyRae

    5 years ago

    I am so with you on the raw milk products and the controversy surrounding its ban in multiple states - the dairy subsidies in this country are abominable. I also enjoy no-fat live cultured yogurt (I can periodically get it locally), and kefir or soy yogurt. I will admit I tend to avoid all other dairy like milk, cheese, butter and the associated egg. It was only when my wife experienced a pain free existence and reversed a debilitating osteo condition after we abstained from traditional animal products and dairy - that we chose to avoid those items entirely. As long as we stay away from it - she is pain free. I juice every day and she may juice a couple times a week....but it was getting off milk, cheese, butter and eggs, as well as other animal products that sold us. I experienced extreme sustained weight loss of 145 pounds with Reboot veggie juicing, but she inadvertently lost 40 pounds and reversed a chronic condition when eating exclusively plant-based foods. Eat & Drink Plants!

  • WJS

    5 years ago

    Thank you Danmcn61 for your very informative reply. I am in France but outside of no GMO here I am sure dairy is produced the same. I have never seen anything like raw milk here but will definitely look into it. When I mentioned Greek yogurt it is really fromage frais but to me the taste and the consistency is very similar if not the same. I did get into a habit for my sweet tooth to have it most days as I mentioned with sweetener and frozen blueberries kind of firms it up a bit and is delicious. I will try to stay away from it.

    In regards to taking it slowly after the fast, I would love to do the fast a bit longer than 44 days but am doing it up to the very last minute because we are going to London. This Friday night I am going to a dinner and then Saturday night there is the big party. The following week on Thursday the fifth we are going to the Alsace region in the north of France and Germany to visit the Christmas markets Arghh! So it won't be easy. I have images of putting back on all the weight I lost during the juice fast. :( I am going to try my best to eat as healthy as possible though.

    Thank you again Dan.

  • Danmcn61

    5 years ago

    You are in France, and flying to London soon, and will spend Christmas in Alsace? I am envious! I on the other hand will be in New Jersey for the holidays :-(

    They may not call it raw milk over there, but I'm sure that something similar to what I described is available. If not, get the most "organic" dairy products that you can find. The best solution is to simply buy it directly from the farm. Fromage frais sounds delicious and nutritious, and I think you can easily integrate it into your diet after the reboot is completed. Don't worry about putting the weight back on, as long as you exercise regularly and eat healthy you will be fine.

  • WJS

    5 years ago

    I will try to find no fat organic fromage frais, that is good news you think it will be OK because I love it! Thank you.

    By the way, we are only going to Alsace for six days starting next Thursday to visit the Christmas markets. My husband is indulging me because I am like a big kid with anything to do with Christmas, he's not but hopefully this will turn him. :) We will be spending Christmas at home.

  • turet

    5 years ago

    You should get ahold of the documentary "Forks over Knives" or the book by the same name. In a study they report there lab mice fed casein, the main protein in dairy, grew pre-cancerous tumors. When they removed the casein, the tumors disappeared. Granted mice aren't people, and pre-cancerous isn't cancer, but the effect was demonstrable, not just a minor statistical reading. There's no reason to have dairy.

  • DanMiller BettyRae

    5 years ago

    I appreciate your recognition of "Forks Over Knives" after viewing the documentary I followed through and received a Certificate in Plant-Based Nutrition which reviews those exact casein studies and why I personally do not drink milk. However, it should be noted that there are some studies purporting benefit from fermented/cultured and raw milk products. I found the data on animal products in general to be equally compelling and went on to read the China Study.

  • Danmcn61

    5 years ago

    I agree somewhat, however the study was done with casein derived from commercially produced milk such as the stuff we buy in supermarkets. The dairy cows were most likely raised on feed that had been infused with growth hormone and the animals were treated with liberal amounts of antibiotics during their lifespan. This reality is worlds away from a traditional dairy farm where the animals are allowed to graze freely on grass and the raw milk that they produce does not have residues of the hormones/antibiotics/GMO feed that the commercial manufacturers provide. Humans have been drinking cow's milk and eating cheese for tens of thousands of years but the cancer epidemic is relatively recent.

  • DanMiller BettyRae

    5 years ago

    Here is some more 'food' for thought....this topic can certainly be debated. Check out these series of videos from Dr. Greger of nutritionfacts.org (the leading plant-based scientific researcher) . It should provoke more discussion on this topic.

    http://nutritionfacts.org/index.php?s=casein

    http://nutritionfacts.org/index.php?s=raw+milk

  • Josie

    5 years ago

    Hi everyone,

    Wow, there is certainly a lot of opinions around this topic! Check out these articles about calcium written by Stacy Kennedy http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/why-you-dont-need-milk-for-calcium/

    http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/the-truth-about-calcium/

    All the best,

    Josie @ Reboot Nutritionist Team.

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